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Softball Pitching - The Case for the Curve and the Screw

Guest post by Ken Krause, Life in the Fastpitch Lane blog

softball pitching Softball Pitching   The Case for the Curve and the ScrewSooner or later on the Discuss Fastpitch Forum you know that the discussion on pitching will turn to which pitches to learn. We're going to take the 12 year olds who allegedly have 10 pitches out of the discussion for the time being and instead focus on the more basic pitches.

If you listen to the old-timers (and those taught by the old-timers), a softball pitcher only needs three pitches — the rise, drop and change. They say it's not good to throw a curve or screw because they are flat pitches and too easy to hit.

Yet increasingly in the Womens College World Series you see fewer rises and drops, and a lot more curves and screws. How can that be?

I think a part of it depends on your definition of a curve and screw, and part of it depends on what you've seen before. It's possible both sides of the debate are right within their frame of reference.

A curve ball that comes in on the center of the plate and breaks to the outside corner, without much of an angle up or down, probably will be hit pretty hard. Yet a curve ball that starts on the middle of the plate, or just to the outside of middle and then breaks off the plate is a great pitch. Even if it stays flat. The idea is to get a hitter to chase a pitch that breaks out of the zone. If she does get the bat on it, the odds are it will be hit foul. More likely, though, that it will be a swing and miss if you do it right.

A screw can be even better. The low and inside pitch is a tough one to hit to begin with. If you sucker a hitter into thinking the low pitch will be more in the middle, and then it breaks into that low and in location, you're likely looking at a strike.

The same for a good screw that works up and in. It starts out looking fat, then by the time it reaches the hitter it's in on her hands. You might get a long foul ball out of it, but more likely you'll see the hitter get "alligator arms" and pop it up or ground out weakly. Again, that's on a good screw with real movement. A pitch that merely angles in from left to right (RHP) is not a good screw, and sooner or later will get crushed.

That's with the more or less flat ones. Add in a little downward break, or a pitch that moves through the zone as it comes in, and the pitch is that much tougher to hit.

And often times, that's what it's all about. Back in the day, with a 40' pitching distance and the old Louisville Burgundy bottle bat as the standard, it was a lot more common to rack up tons of Ks with a rise, drop and change. The fact that there wasn't a lot of hitting instruction going on, and that most of what was happening was pretty poor, didn't hurt any either.

Today, all of that has changed. Hitters are learning to lay off the rise, and their technique is better suited to hitting it when it doesn't hit the height it's supposed to. They're spending more time on their craft, learning to see the ball better, predict its flight, and make adjustments. Sure, pitching is still the name of the game. But hitters have a lot more going for them than they did in the past.

That's why pitchers need more weapons in their arsenal as well. But whether you're talking drop, curve or screw, it can't be a couple of inches of break. It has to be more, so the pitcher is playing "now you see it, now you don't" with the hitter.

Figure it this way. The plate is 17 inches wide. To make a down the middle pitch break off the plate the ball has to break 8.5 inches minimum. But if you throw that pitch on the inside edge of the outer third, you need less than 6 inches of break to have it look fat and then be a ball. That should be doable for most accomplished pitchers.

The key is putting in the work so the pitches do what they're supposed to do. That means getting them to spin in the right direction, spin rapidly enough to take advantage of the Magnus Effect, and putting them in the right location.

Everyone has the biases, mostly based on what has worked for them in the past as a player or coach. But keep an open mind. The curve and screw can be very effective. You just have to be sure they're thrown correctly.

Anyway, that's the way I see it.

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  • Pat

    One good fact to point to is UCLA winnging the NCAA Championship this year with Lisa Fernandez on the coaching staff. At one point in the second game UCLA pitcher had thrown 87 of 93 pitches as screwballs. I've got 21 years of coaching in and have learned that movement is better than speed at this stage of the game. In a couple of years that could change. I have a 16-U pitcher that throws 53mph with all kinds of movement and a pitcher that throws 57mph with little movement. My first pitcher has led us to 2 championships. I hope this helps

  • Bixbygretta

    My daughter (13) pitches for a skilled team and not at rec level. She moved up a year early alst year because she throws a ball with very good movement. She started learning "movement" pitches when her growth spurt started a cpl years ago at about 11. Her screw ball is very hard to hit, (almost always ends up being a foul ball), and she is now trying to master a curve drop. She has a very effective Change and a quick fast ball, not to mentiona great rise ball.
    During tournaments, she gets many more K's with her screw ball and rise, and her change usually gets the final strike per batter. She is 13 1/2.I keep hearing that U need 55 mph to get any movement ona ball but she gets a fairly decent amount at 52-53, since we are now pitching from 43 feet. I feel like the added 3 feet made a huge difference!
    She is unpredictible as to what she will throw at a batter and mixes it up frequently, but the screw and rise give her the most K's. She is the smallest on her team at barely 100 lbs and 5 ft tall. Nobody expects it from her!

  • Qwikvr6gti

    I think it depends on the size and strength of the kid. I know 12 year olds that weigh 80lbs. They can't do it. Softball pitching is not like Baseball pitching in terms of the stress it puts on the body.

  • Bob

    As a male fastball pitcher of more than 30 years, please don't refer to an inside cutter as a screwball.
    A screwball is a pitch that goes the opposite way of a curveball and moves on a flat plain. And there is only one person I have ever seen throw that pitch.
    The cutter is the natural movement that occurs for a pitcher throwing a peel drop.

  • BigLar

    Its a matter of terminology i think. If the ball moves inward toward the batter on a flat plain or not its a screw. I teach a cutter that goes out and away from the hitter at pretty good speed.

  • BigLar

    I have been a pitching instructor for 20 years. The name of the game used to be fast and faster with a change as the option. Hitters have come a long way to catching up with the speed with the help of some very good pitching machines. Now i stick strictly to movement pitches. Drop curve, overhand or follow thru curve, screw and knuckle change. Most students are able to learn and do very well with these pitches if snaps are practiced and the release point is mastered. The pitchers are able to develope muscle memory between 10 and 13 years old. Depending on their work ethic and physical and mental abilities they should generally be able to begin using movement pitches by the age of 12.

  • Jbray71

    I've searched in vain trying to figure out when to start a young pitcher on movement pitches. Pitchers are starting younger and younger and many have good speed and control by the time they reach 9-10 years old. My question is: At what point are their muscles, joints, etc. developed enough to safely introduce movement pitches?

  • Mrek1

    Unfortunately, probably the most important factor in having sucess with movement pitches is governed by the size of the pitchers hand. You need to be able to get the fingers, and not the palm, around the side of the ball for curve and screw. Arm circle diameter is not the only advantage for a girl who is 6 feet tall, it is also hand size. Usually spin pitches are started at 11-12 during the growth spurt, however unless the girl has long fingers, great movement will come later (if at all).

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